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		<title>By: Bill Thayer</title>
		<link>http://rambambashi.wordpress.com/2012/09/14/original-research-at-wikipedia/#comment-3594</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 13:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, and another PS: Roman-Britain.Org is very, very good — the best site out there on any part of the Roman Empire — and gave us quite a scare when it was offline for what I think was several months. Interestingly, once I alerted Twitter to it, it came back online within 2 days. Just possibly, Kevan didn&#039;t realize there was a server problem or something like that, and someone got back to him. Twitter can be useful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and another PS: Roman-Britain.Org is very, very good — the best site out there on any part of the Roman Empire — and gave us quite a scare when it was offline for what I think was several months. Interestingly, once I alerted Twitter to it, it came back online within 2 days. Just possibly, Kevan didn&#8217;t realize there was a server problem or something like that, and someone got back to him. Twitter can be useful.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Thayer</title>
		<link>http://rambambashi.wordpress.com/2012/09/14/original-research-at-wikipedia/#comment-3593</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 12:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, although I was aware of it; not much of a TV person, except for baseball games. The feud was right next doors, the next county over from Jenkins where I usually go when in Kentucky — visiting a friend — and amusingly, I&#039;ve never seen such a concentration of lawyers&#039; offices in my life as in Pikeville (diary, &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://bit.ly/diary060622&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;June 22, 2006&lt;/a&gt;) although I think for a different reason altogether: county seat in a coal mining community.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, although I was aware of it; not much of a TV person, except for baseball games. The feud was right next doors, the next county over from Jenkins where I usually go when in Kentucky — visiting a friend — and amusingly, I&#8217;ve never seen such a concentration of lawyers&#8217; offices in my life as in Pikeville (diary, <a HREF="http://bit.ly/diary060622" rel="nofollow">June 22, 2006</a>) although I think for a different reason altogether: county seat in a coal mining community.</p>
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		<title>By: kentuckyboyblog</title>
		<link>http://rambambashi.wordpress.com/2012/09/14/original-research-at-wikipedia/#comment-3590</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 00:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bill,since you mention the SE corner of the state of Kentucky,did you watch any of the recent Hatfield/McCoy Feud on TV?I did not since TV is so busy dramatizing they forget there is an factual story behind it all.But regardless,in the 70&#039;s,I met an old man in Louisville who was born and lived in that part of the country and had seen old Anse and he said that the old rascal always sat on his porch with a shotgun in his lap and he said just the look in the old mans eye was plenty enough to discourage greetings.This is when he himself was very young.Good stuff!Garry in Kentucky.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,since you mention the SE corner of the state of Kentucky,did you watch any of the recent Hatfield/McCoy Feud on TV?I did not since TV is so busy dramatizing they forget there is an factual story behind it all.But regardless,in the 70&#8242;s,I met an old man in Louisville who was born and lived in that part of the country and had seen old Anse and he said that the old rascal always sat on his porch with a shotgun in his lap and he said just the look in the old mans eye was plenty enough to discourage greetings.This is when he himself was very young.Good stuff!Garry in Kentucky.</p>
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		<title>By: kentuckyboyblog</title>
		<link>http://rambambashi.wordpress.com/2012/09/14/original-research-at-wikipedia/#comment-3589</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 23:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you very much for your prompt reply.I read Wiki every day,but with a grain of salt lately.I greatly admire R.E.Lee,like most all history(especially the ancients[Sumer,Egypt and for some reason my interest in Greece and Rome is nothing like it used to be])but Lacus Curtius I find endlessly fascinating and bottomless(very good.)I keep up with Livius also.Roman-Britain is also a great favorite.I am rambling.So,I am a Kentuckian through and through have seen your Kentucky sites and enjoyed them.Kudos to you and the Livius people and keep it up.....I will watch and keep in touch.Garry in Kentucky.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much for your prompt reply.I read Wiki every day,but with a grain of salt lately.I greatly admire R.E.Lee,like most all history(especially the ancients[Sumer,Egypt and for some reason my interest in Greece and Rome is nothing like it used to be])but Lacus Curtius I find endlessly fascinating and bottomless(very good.)I keep up with Livius also.Roman-Britain is also a great favorite.I am rambling.So,I am a Kentuckian through and through have seen your Kentucky sites and enjoyed them.Kudos to you and the Livius people and keep it up&#8230;..I will watch and keep in touch.Garry in Kentucky.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Thayer</title>
		<link>http://rambambashi.wordpress.com/2012/09/14/original-research-at-wikipedia/#comment-3588</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 21:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And PS: will be interested to see what you do with your blog space. I have a patch of Kentucky on my site — mostly &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://bit.ly/JenkinsKyWPT&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the little town of Jenkins&lt;/a&gt; in the far SE corner; my main Kentucky page is &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://bit.ly/KentuckyHistoryWPT&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And PS: will be interested to see what you do with your blog space. I have a patch of Kentucky on my site — mostly <a HREF="http://bit.ly/JenkinsKyWPT" rel="nofollow">the little town of Jenkins</a> in the far SE corner; my main Kentucky page is <a HREF="http://bit.ly/KentuckyHistoryWPT" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Thayer</title>
		<link>http://rambambashi.wordpress.com/2012/09/14/original-research-at-wikipedia/#comment-3587</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 21:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The best alternative is still, and for the foreseeable future — let&#039;s call that 7 or 8 years, progress moves fast! — a reputable print encyclopedia (the Britannica has moved online, but of course it&#039;s a pay site), your public library, or, if you&#039;re lucky, a university library.

Now you shouldn&#039;t get too discouraged. Wikipedia almost never will tell you that the American Revolution was fought between Germany and India in the 11th century, and for rough approximations, it&#039;s fine, although I wouldn&#039;t write a term paper citing it. But for details, or when a balanced viewpoint is needed, or at least something whose bias is stated, head for a printed book. The main problem with Wikipedia is essentially that it can&#039;t be trusted on any one point; but add to that also, that bad writing, often the effect of writing by what is essentially a committee, can make the articles very confusing and very open to misinterpretation. Dio Chrysostom, in an amusing passage, describes what a horse would look like if designed by Wikipedia: &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://bit.ly/The_Wikipedia_Horse&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;77/78.22&lt;/a&gt;

As a rule of thumb, the more recent the history, the less good the online resources. Two reasons for this: (1) recent history means recent writing, and books recently written remain under copyright, so cannot be put online, barring special circumstances; (2) the more recent the history, the more we bump into editorial agendas, often sponsored by governments, religious denominations, political parties, etc.

So classical Antiquity remains the best-covered history online; and I don&#039;t say it because I deal in it (although I&#039;ve helped, of course), but because very early on, university professors got involved in putting it online. Why? I&#039;ve never figured it out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best alternative is still, and for the foreseeable future — let&#8217;s call that 7 or 8 years, progress moves fast! — a reputable print encyclopedia (the Britannica has moved online, but of course it&#8217;s a pay site), your public library, or, if you&#8217;re lucky, a university library.</p>
<p>Now you shouldn&#8217;t get too discouraged. Wikipedia almost never will tell you that the American Revolution was fought between Germany and India in the 11th century, and for rough approximations, it&#8217;s fine, although I wouldn&#8217;t write a term paper citing it. But for details, or when a balanced viewpoint is needed, or at least something whose bias is stated, head for a printed book. The main problem with Wikipedia is essentially that it can&#8217;t be trusted on any one point; but add to that also, that bad writing, often the effect of writing by what is essentially a committee, can make the articles very confusing and very open to misinterpretation. Dio Chrysostom, in an amusing passage, describes what a horse would look like if designed by Wikipedia: <a HREF="http://bit.ly/The_Wikipedia_Horse" rel="nofollow">77/78.22</a></p>
<p>As a rule of thumb, the more recent the history, the less good the online resources. Two reasons for this: (1) recent history means recent writing, and books recently written remain under copyright, so cannot be put online, barring special circumstances; (2) the more recent the history, the more we bump into editorial agendas, often sponsored by governments, religious denominations, political parties, etc.</p>
<p>So classical Antiquity remains the best-covered history online; and I don&#8217;t say it because I deal in it (although I&#8217;ve helped, of course), but because very early on, university professors got involved in putting it online. Why? I&#8217;ve never figured it out.</p>
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		<title>By: kentuckyboyblog</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 20:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Love history dearly and correctly.So sorry Wiki has become a question mark since I use it for most all my inquires.When has history been superceded by people too small to admit being incorrect and/or responsible about it?What are good Wiki alternatives?Please help.Need truth and top notch redearch to satisfy appetite for history and current events.Garry in Kentucky.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love history dearly and correctly.So sorry Wiki has become a question mark since I use it for most all my inquires.When has history been superceded by people too small to admit being incorrect and/or responsible about it?What are good Wiki alternatives?Please help.Need truth and top notch redearch to satisfy appetite for history and current events.Garry in Kentucky.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 17:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m guessing that &quot;pseudo-Didymus&quot; means a scholion in the D scholia, and printed by Erbse.  (I have no access to the latter or I would look).  The scholia on the Iliad are all stuff written in the margins of various of the medieval manuscripts of the Iliad.

Alternatively it may be a scholion, which is attributed to Didymus in whatever source is quoted, but the scholars don&#039;t think it is him.

I wish we could get to this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m guessing that &#8220;pseudo-Didymus&#8221; means a scholion in the D scholia, and printed by Erbse.  (I have no access to the latter or I would look).  The scholia on the Iliad are all stuff written in the margins of various of the medieval manuscripts of the Iliad.</p>
<p>Alternatively it may be a scholion, which is attributed to Didymus in whatever source is quoted, but the scholars don&#8217;t think it is him.</p>
<p>I wish we could get to this.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Thayer</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 17:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aha. The true Didymus (underlying the pseudo-, whoever he — or she — might be) is someone we know about; although I&#039;ve transcribed so much stuff I can&#039;t remember everything I have onsite, I do actually remember the Gut-of-Brass part, who wouldn&#039;t? &lt;a HREF=&quot;penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Ammian/22*.html#16.16&quot; TARGET=&quot;Ammian_E&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ammian, XXII.16.16&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a HREF=&quot;penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/L/Roman/Texts/Isidore/6*.html#7&quot; TARGET=&quot;Isidore&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Isidore, VI.7&lt;/a&gt;.

It looks like Didymus had a lot of twins. . . .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aha. The true Didymus (underlying the pseudo-, whoever he — or she — might be) is someone we know about; although I&#8217;ve transcribed so much stuff I can&#8217;t remember everything I have onsite, I do actually remember the Gut-of-Brass part, who wouldn&#8217;t? <a HREF="penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Ammian/22*.html#16.16" TARGET="Ammian_E" rel="nofollow">Ammian, XXII.16.16</a>, <a HREF="penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/L/Roman/Texts/Isidore/6*.html#7" TARGET="Isidore" rel="nofollow">Isidore, VI.7</a>.</p>
<p>It looks like Didymus had a lot of twins. . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 16:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The reference to &quot;pseudo-Didymus&quot; is the really interesting bit!  Clearly a scholiast on the Iliad.  

My guess would be that the reference is to vol. 3 of &quot;Erbse, H. 1969-88, Scholia Graeca in Homeri Iliadem, 7 vols. (Berlin)&quot;.

The guide to ancient scholia is Dickey&#039;s &quot;Ancient Greek scholarship&quot; (2007), for producing which solid piece of work -- instead of some &quot;research&quot; -- she was sacked by her university.  This tells me (p.7):

&quot;The greatest producer of composite commentaries, and probably the most prolific of all ancient scholars, was the Alexandrian Didymus Chalcenterus (“brazenguts”), who lived in the second half of the first century bc and the beginning of the first century ad.18 Didymus is said to have written 3,500 or 4,000 books and was nicknamed bibliolathas&quot; because he allegedly could not remember what he had written. He put together the writings of Aristarchus and other scholars in order to compile hundreds of composite commentaries on Homer, Demosthenes, and other literary works, as well as producing lexica and monographs; the remains of his commentaries are our primary source of knowledge of the Alexandrians’ critical work. Most of the commentaries survive only in extracts preserved in later works, ...&quot;

and:

&quot;This Didymus is (probably) to be distinguished from a number of other scholars named Didymus, including Didymus minor / Didumos&quot; ho neuteros&quot;, a Greek grammarian in Alexandria in the 1st cent. AD; Didymus Claudius, a Greek grammarian in Rome in the early 1st cent. AD; Didymus son of Heraclides, a Greek grammarian in Rome in the mid-1st cent. AD; and Didymus the Blind, a theologian in Alexandria in the 4th cent. ad. See NP iii: 553–4, RE v.i: 472–4, and Fraser (1972: ii. 686).&quot;

and (p.20):

&quot;The D scholia are unfortunately named after Didymus, with whom they are now known to have no connection; they are also known as “scholia minora” or “scholia vulgata.” They are the largest group of Homeric scholia, and our earliest manuscript evidence for them is older than that for the other types of scholia, for the chief witnesses to the D scholia are manuscripts Z and Q, which date to the ninth and eleventh centuries respectively.&quot;

There is a pirate PDF of the book doing the rounds, but I ended up buying the (reasonably) book as well - how else can one absorb so much hard info on so obscure a subject?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reference to &#8220;pseudo-Didymus&#8221; is the really interesting bit!  Clearly a scholiast on the Iliad.  </p>
<p>My guess would be that the reference is to vol. 3 of &#8220;Erbse, H. 1969-88, Scholia Graeca in Homeri Iliadem, 7 vols. (Berlin)&#8221;.</p>
<p>The guide to ancient scholia is Dickey&#8217;s &#8220;Ancient Greek scholarship&#8221; (2007), for producing which solid piece of work &#8212; instead of some &#8220;research&#8221; &#8212; she was sacked by her university.  This tells me (p.7):</p>
<p>&#8220;The greatest producer of composite commentaries, and probably the most prolific of all ancient scholars, was the Alexandrian Didymus Chalcenterus (“brazenguts”), who lived in the second half of the first century bc and the beginning of the first century ad.18 Didymus is said to have written 3,500 or 4,000 books and was nicknamed bibliolathas&#8221; because he allegedly could not remember what he had written. He put together the writings of Aristarchus and other scholars in order to compile hundreds of composite commentaries on Homer, Demosthenes, and other literary works, as well as producing lexica and monographs; the remains of his commentaries are our primary source of knowledge of the Alexandrians’ critical work. Most of the commentaries survive only in extracts preserved in later works, &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>and:</p>
<p>&#8220;This Didymus is (probably) to be distinguished from a number of other scholars named Didymus, including Didymus minor / Didumos&#8221; ho neuteros&#8221;, a Greek grammarian in Alexandria in the 1st cent. AD; Didymus Claudius, a Greek grammarian in Rome in the early 1st cent. AD; Didymus son of Heraclides, a Greek grammarian in Rome in the mid-1st cent. AD; and Didymus the Blind, a theologian in Alexandria in the 4th cent. ad. See NP iii: 553–4, RE v.i: 472–4, and Fraser (1972: ii. 686).&#8221;</p>
<p>and (p.20):</p>
<p>&#8220;The D scholia are unfortunately named after Didymus, with whom they are now known to have no connection; they are also known as “scholia minora” or “scholia vulgata.” They are the largest group of Homeric scholia, and our earliest manuscript evidence for them is older than that for the other types of scholia, for the chief witnesses to the D scholia are manuscripts Z and Q, which date to the ninth and eleventh centuries respectively.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is a pirate PDF of the book doing the rounds, but I ended up buying the (reasonably) book as well &#8211; how else can one absorb so much hard info on so obscure a subject?</p>
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		<title>By: cheeseeating</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 15:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps there is hope after all! 

And I was really aggrieved to read about your harrowing experience involving threats. Very sorry about that. 

My experience so far has been different: somehow in a year and a half of editing articles, mostly about history, 95% of the people I came across were open-minded, reasonable and cooperative. The other 5% were various combinations of bigoted, stupid and narrowminded but even they were relatively polite. 

(I&#039;ll try to respond to Roger&#039;s points later, I too have work to do...)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps there is hope after all! </p>
<p>And I was really aggrieved to read about your harrowing experience involving threats. Very sorry about that. </p>
<p>My experience so far has been different: somehow in a year and a half of editing articles, mostly about history, 95% of the people I came across were open-minded, reasonable and cooperative. The other 5% were various combinations of bigoted, stupid and narrowminded but even they were relatively polite. </p>
<p>(I&#8217;ll try to respond to Roger&#8217;s points later, I too have work to do&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Thayer</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 15:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And finally — after this somewhat tentacular side trip — that section of Strabo is up onsite, &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://bit.ly/Strabo13A2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Book XIII, chapter 1 (part 2)&lt;/a&gt;, the Hestiaea passage being &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://bit.ly/HestiaeaStrabo&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in XIII.1.36&lt;/a&gt;.

And it&#039;s good to see that someone at Roger&#039;s Wikipediocracy board has caught me out in a false statement: there&#039;s an even more obscure reference to this woman in an author known as &quot;pseudo-Didymus&quot;, previously unknown to me. They&#039;ve actually, against their better judgment, gone in and fixed the WP article, and so far haven&#039;t been reverted. That&#039;s the way WP is &lt;i&gt;supposed&lt;/i&gt; to work. . . .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And finally — after this somewhat tentacular side trip — that section of Strabo is up onsite, <a HREF="http://bit.ly/Strabo13A2" rel="nofollow">Book XIII, chapter 1 (part 2)</a>, the Hestiaea passage being <a HREF="http://bit.ly/HestiaeaStrabo" rel="nofollow">in XIII.1.36</a>.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s good to see that someone at Roger&#8217;s Wikipediocracy board has caught me out in a false statement: there&#8217;s an even more obscure reference to this woman in an author known as &#8220;pseudo-Didymus&#8221;, previously unknown to me. They&#8217;ve actually, against their better judgment, gone in and fixed the WP article, and so far haven&#8217;t been reverted. That&#8217;s the way WP is <i>supposed</i> to work. . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Thayer</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 15:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cheese, I wouldn&#039;t characterize simple statements of fact as &quot;experiments&quot;!

Yes, in practice there&#039;s often a &quot;winning side&quot; for each Wikipedia page: a person or small group that controls the page, and imposes its bias on it. And bias there is, in spades.

And Roger does address something I&#039;d stayed away from: civility is not WP&#039;s strong suit. I finally left when someone threatened to bash my head in, or some similar very violent language that on the street would have constituted actionable assault.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheese, I wouldn&#8217;t characterize simple statements of fact as &#8220;experiments&#8221;!</p>
<p>Yes, in practice there&#8217;s often a &#8220;winning side&#8221; for each Wikipedia page: a person or small group that controls the page, and imposes its bias on it. And bias there is, in spades.</p>
<p>And Roger does address something I&#8217;d stayed away from: civility is not WP&#8217;s strong suit. I finally left when someone threatened to bash my head in, or some similar very violent language that on the street would have constituted actionable assault.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://rambambashi.wordpress.com/2012/09/14/original-research-at-wikipedia/#comment-3578</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 15:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry: really tied up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry: really tied up.</p>
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		<title>By: cheeseeating</title>
		<link>http://rambambashi.wordpress.com/2012/09/14/original-research-at-wikipedia/#comment-3577</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cheeseeating]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 15:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Roger: Can you post links to pages about the Fae affair and Roth scandal?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Roger: Can you post links to pages about the Fae affair and Roth scandal?</p>
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